The Elected Mayor Debate in Birmingham
Tony Blair wants Birmingham to have an Elected Mayor. When this was raised a few years back we said "no", politely but firmly. Now we are back and a debate has appeared on a web group - and welcome it is. Former Councillor David Williams says "no" and Rob Pocock is saying "yes" as does Sir Albert Bore (who has not entered the on-line debate).
Gisela Stuart, MP for Edgbaston says stop sending her e-mails. If we have time to waste writing rubbish then we should get out and leaflet Edgbaston. Clearly we're not in New Labour to be political, perish the thought. No wonder our former activists have moved out and left us with a rump right of David Cameron.
This is what Rob said:
Hello David
You knock on as many doors as me and will know that the traditional
last-century 'political class' and its elite of Councllors (which
excludes us both sadly!) are no longer ruling with the consent of the
electorate. The sustainable political party of the future will not be
owned and controlled by a small group of paying members, it will be a
much more outward looking and inclusive network of supporters who align
with the movement's broad aims and values. Similarly any party that
aspires to govern will align its aims and values to a broad canvass of
public opinion.
The historic achievement of New Labour has been to change the party
from one owned by, and run for, its members, to an outward looking
political movement aligned to a much broader support base. All the new
changes in party structure (e.g. the Changing the Way We Work document)
are about us developing policy by interacting with voters and
supporters not just paying members. Choosing a Labour candidate to
stand as Democratically Elected Mayor would not be a Regional Office
stitch up, it will be done by outward looking engagement, for example
an open primary ballot amongst known supporters and the wider
membership.
For some bizarre reason you have confused the ethics of New Labour
(outward looking, inclusive, engaging) with the brutal thuggery of the
behind-the-scenes stitch-up beloved of Labour First - the very worst
Old Labour mafia gang of right wing fixers remaining in the party. From
the first days of Tony and Gordon to the latest alliance of progressive
modernisers, New Labour has been about being more outward looking,
opening up the party to the wider community and widening our appeal.
The real enemy is the band of old style party hacks who want to keep
the power to themselves.
Which brings me to your final basis for opposing a democratically
elected city leader - that someone from outside the elite political
class might get elected! Here we have come right to the point - a
political class deliberately and explicitly framing an elective process
to prevent people voting for their preferred candidates. If Labour
cannot beat Carl Chinn in a popular vote, is anyone seriously
suggesting the right answer is to run away from the ballot? This is the
argument of a band of politicians that have lost confidence in their
abilty to win an open popular contest, and can only perpetuate their
existence by devising a system that is rigged to suit only the
candidates of the political machine. Stalin's ghost stalks closely
behind this argument! And behind all the rhetoric of those opposing the
campaign for a democratically elected city leader, the honest truth
which unites old style politicos from all the party machines is the
fear that it will bring about the downfall of their class.
The problem is that the mass of public opinion say that, if this is so,
bring it on!
Rob
This is David's response:
"You are I think the only person I know who talks the talk of new Labour with any conviction.
The calamitous drop in turn out at elections since 1997 is indicative of the failure of this approach to engage with the passions of the voters. New Labour represents a final victory for Margaret Thatcher in her crusade to destroy Socialism. It has made Labour 'safe' for the vested interests that continue to run Britain.
You contrast a corrupt and tired old political elite with new Labour and maintain that the latter is nothing to do with Labour First. I am afraid that I am less perceptive than you and can only see the wolf - and the wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing.
If we had a directly elected mayor in Birmingham we would have a concentration of power in the hands of one individual. There would not be any councillors worth the name any more - just servants of the big city boss. A much better route would be to continue the work you started all those years ago - devolving powers to neighbourhoods where decisions could be made at a level which is relevant to ordinary people's lives. A media mayor would be more interested in the next headline than in dealing with the real problems that Birmingham faces. Initiative would follow initiative - all with the intention of gaining media approval rather than any consistent policy of government.
Political parties are great engines for change in the political system. To denigrate the membership is to hold in contempt a group of people who want to make the world a better place. Most work hard year after year with no desire to hold political office themselves. A directly elected mayor would be in the political stratosphere and have little in common with grassroots opinion.
The answer to local government's difficulties is to give it more respect and greater powers. In that way it would generate greater interest amongst the electorate and attract individuals of the greatest ability to get involved.
Perhaps the strongest reason to reject the concentration of political power in one pair of hands is to look at the sorry career of the present Prime Minister. Our existing national leader has exercised a near presidential control of the machinery of government. Decisions have been made in No 10 and then roled out in spite of the views of ministers and Parliament. The result has been a disastrous war in Iraq and a privatisation programme that Mrs Thatcher would have been proud of. He has been fearless in hammering the Unions and pusilanimous in the face of the Daily Mail. I would contend that the obvious lack of judgement exhibited by the Prime Minister in recent years is largely as a result of the huge powers at his disposal.
All power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
This is what Gisela Stuart said:
could someone please remove my name from the distribution list of this debate.
Thank
Gisela Stuart
PS anyone who has surplus energy and time ... Edgbaston can always use leaflet distributors and phone canvassers
There you are folks, get up off your backsides and get out there in the wind and rain. Don't ask what for though, it's not for you to worry about decisions like going to war. That's for Tony and cronies and no one must say "boo" must they?
and this is what I say:
Hi David,
I'm being linked into the Great Debate principally between you and Pocock. I
joined the Google Group, but evidently not the Labour Group within it so my
message was returned. I'm sending it to you (if you and Rob don't mind anyone
else commenting!)
What an interesting message from Gisela. Doesn't want to be bothered with
politics. No wonder they don't have deliverers in Edgbaston, but Tony's probably
very proud of her.
Here's my contribution:
Hi Comrades, good to see a good discussion after feeling in complete political
isolation. Mind you I continue to work in the community with those "real
people". David Williams refers to.
Ever since New Labour "hit the ground running" the idea that we need radically
new structures (Rob Pocock's plea). Excuse me though, I thought we were supposed
to have had them with the move from committees to the cabinet/scrutiny system.
Been there, done it but didn't notice how much more democratic it had become.
The Leader then, who believed in the elected mayor and argued for it first time
round, behaved as if it was already a reality. Whitby likewise. LOcal Government
in Birmingham hasn't been improved by the Lib-Dems/Tories. At least Labour had a
vision which included doing something about the archaic transport (I was going
to say system) we have in Birmingham and the West Midlands.
When I attended a conference in Newcastle on city regions the idea didn't seem
uncomfortable as it was then presented, mainly because some surrounding
authorities represented like Tamworth didn't either. Certainly there was a need
to come together. Absolutely no one is arguing that the West Midlands is a
strategic part of a nation, and needs to see itself and be regarded by National
Government as such. In fact we are the heart of the nation geographically and
the heart of an organism is vital to the whole wellbeing.
In this context the arguments for elected mayors are a huge distraction. Ken
Livingston is a one off and demonstrated his capabilities as leader of the LGC.
The chance of getting a Messiah in place is not high to say the least. As we
have heard other places where they have had elected mayors have not shown
remarkable results.
The problem New Labour has had and is still having are the petty officials who
have become control freaks. They have set up the conditions for getting rid of
people they don't like and brought in new untried individuals. In our in
woods one decamped to the Tories. How did they manage that, even when they were
told over and over that this individual's (criminal) track record would lead to
trouble? No best to get rid of those felt to have leftish tendencies. These
officers have overseen an utter disaster which has contributed to the premature
loss of control on Birmingham City Council. Yet they remain inplace without
comment. Let us encourage the return of democratic minds to the Labour Party. So
many good comrades have gone and the officers cheered. We need democratic
thinkers and not control freaks. The proposed new system certainly favours them!
Fraternally,
John Tyrrell
Posted by John Tyrrell at November 3, 2006 9:44 PM
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